Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby HJS on Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:48 pm

durkcal {l Wrote}:We think we had a bad day, NC State is about to lose to ECU!!

ECU would beat RU. But, the difference is that NCS was supposed to compete for the ACC title. They still may. ACC is awful. Racking up losses to ECU, RU and ODU makes you wonder why they field football teams anymore.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby durkcal on Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:50 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:
Thornton Melon {l Wrote}:So long as we have a head coach with an obsession with retread play callers we get what we deserve. Everything all day was slow moving stuff that daz would have approved of. Cig to McNulty... Just old school garbage offense straight out of the 90s playbook. It's ridiculous we can't bring in someone who understands how to call offense in the 21st century.

Cignetti looks like a genius for getting outta Dodge knowing that Jurk was never going to be anything. I can only wonder the gnashing of teeth going on in Dick’s fictionalized Jurk Watch group chat.

As for play callers, this is what you get with a Defensive guy as head coach. He’s only hiring guys he knows and trusts to run the side of the ball he knows nothing about. In Hafley’s case, it is only leftovers from the Schiano coaching tree.


I've never been that impressed with any of Haf's hires except for Aazar, but it's a whole new offensive staff. Almost never in the history of football has a completely new offensive staff looked good in their very first game. I don't know if we will ever look good on offense all year, but you have to give McNulty and the others more games to judge that. Plus, which one of us has any Madden genius playcalls with that blocking?
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby durkcal on Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:52 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:
durkcal {l Wrote}:We think we had a bad day, NC State is about to lose to ECU!!

ECU would beat RU. But, the difference is that NCS was supposed to compete for the ACC title. They still may. ACC is awful. Racking up losses to ECU, RU and ODU makes you wonder why they field football teams anymore.


ECU might beat RU, but NCSU had some top 10 rankings! They were supposed to be a proven commodity. 12 point faves.

We were a relative unknown opening against a P5 team. Our spread should have been 4 or so IMO
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby Mike_S on Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:53 pm

So I generally really like Hafley, but I think that besides the O-Line, the coaching needs to take a lot of the blame. Schiano and staff coached a really smart second half, and BC's staff never made the appropriate adjustments and made a few obvious mistakes.

- 14-6 just before halftime. About 30 seconds to go. Play super-aggressive instead of getting into better position for the FG, miss the kick

- 3rd quarter, Rutgers pressuring like mad on every play. Keep doing primarily drop-back passes. Offense stalls badly.

- Up 6, Rutgers ball near their own goal, 7 minutes or so to go. My son and I agree that Rutgers should lean on their o-line, run almost every play, try to run down the clock and score with limited time left instead of risking passes with their less-than-stellar passer's against the strength of the BC D. Rutgers does exactly that. BC doesn't adjust the defense to focus on the run.

- Rutgers has the ball on about the 25 on their long drive. BC D is reeling. We're saying "We need a time out to get the guys air and adjust to stop the run". TV commentators are saying "D has their hands on their hips, BC should really think about a time out here". No Timeout. Rutgers goes in for the TD.

- Final BC drive, down by 1. We're saying "BC needs to do QUICK passes, screens, quick outside runs, maybe even get Jurk outside the pocket, and definitely NO LONG DROPBACKS." Announcers saying the same thing. Instead, dropbacks...and the predictable sacks.

- Then BC takes a Timeout on 4th and 25 -- their second -- meaning that they CAN'T punt and get the ball back w any real time left on the clock. Not only could they have gone for it...my son was saying "It's a 1-point game, give them the TD, get down by 8, but have 1:45 on the clock to have a real chance to tie it up". They punt anyway. Rutgers runs the clock down to 15 seconds, and BTW their punter is awesome. Game.

This is one of the first times I feel like Hafley and staff let the team down in terms of strategy, adjustments, and/or decision-making. But they definitely did.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby LawyersGunsnMoney on Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:55 pm

BC got beat at their own game today. Love him or hate him(as a color guy) Herzy pointed out immediately in the first quarter that Rutgers was gonna keep running the ball up the middle and beat down the BC defense. That’s exactly what happened on the last drive to give Rutgers the lead. Combine that with the awful run blocking, blitz pickup, and general inexperienced OLine and you could see this coming. Jurk is not an NFL an qb. His throws were all over the place. He is not accurate. Maybe his hand is still fucked up or the play calling is terrible(why keep running deep routes with an inexperienced OL) but this team is not going to be good this year.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby twballgame9 on Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:56 pm

durkcal {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
durkcal {l Wrote}:BC will get whipped on the line of scrimmage in all but 3 games this year. How folks could think we were going to win 8 games this year is mindboggling. Haf may be the guy, but it takes time for the line of scrimmage guys (O and D) he has brought in to become ACC players.


They aren't freshmen. Youth is not an excuse for being that bad against that team.


they go against Onwuka, C Horsley and M Valdez in practice every day. If they're lucky. The Rutgers front guys are better than that. The guys we face at Clem, Louisville and FSU, etc..are better than even that. Our OL will have to get baptized. A Constanzo couldn't block a P5 player in his first year. Maybe Trapilo, Cline and Kendall will always suck? The only chance for them to have a fair chance today was for Haf to have brought in bigger and better DL earlier than he did. The guys like Kwan Williams, Nigel Tate, Kolenge, etc...have just gotten there and are not grown men yet.

On the other side of the ball, Our front 7 is not physically imposing on defense. If we get dragged into deep waters, any P5 team ex maybe Duke can exert their will on that front 7. Yet BC insiders kept working the 2021 defensive improvement narrative lol. Our stats from last year "looked" better because teams knew they didn't have to score much. They ran clock against us. PLayed conservative.

Overall - Having a flashy WR means little if you're losing the line of scrimmage. Why ppl thought we were going to blow out Rutgers without having seen our OL live against P5 players is beyond me.


Rutgers did not have P5 players anywhere. It looked like that on the DL because of all of the completely missed assignments by the BC OL. Again, you can't be over matched on a block if you don't get there to throw it.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby innocentbystander on Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:59 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Fire Hafley and everyone associated with this garbage program. Awful. Oh well, rest of the fall is free.


Yup. Time to say goodbye.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby durkcal on Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:03 pm

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Fire Hafley and everyone associated with this garbage program. Awful. Oh well, rest of the fall is free.


Yup. Time to say goodbye.


I have an idea! Hire a guy that can recruit and has never been a head coach
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby HJS on Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:05 pm

Back before Jurk caught the Grosel contagion, he used to be a master at end of half scenarios. BC within FG range 2 timeouts and 35 seconds with getting the ball to start the second half. That’s when you put a team away.

But… instead… Grosel2.0 ran for a yard and stayed in bounds. [timeout] Threw to a back over the middle for a yard [timeout]. Threw behind a TE in the middle of field for what would’ve been only 3 yards. Missed 44 yard FG. Start of the second half… went backwards on first two plays before a rolled snap results in a turnover that leads to a TD two plays later.

So, instead of expanding the lead to something like 24-6, BC is in a war at 14-12. Bottom line: Schiano>Hafley
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:07 pm

Supahfan99 {l Wrote}:Halftime thoughts...

O

Special Teams: Missed FG could be a killer. Not good.


Play of the game. Where did it miss (I could not tell from my angle)?
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby twballgame9 on Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:09 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:Back before Jurk caught the Grosel contagion, he used to be a master at end of half scenarios. BC within FG range 2 timeouts and 35 seconds with getting the ball to start the second half. That’s when you put a team away.

But… instead… Grosel2.0 ran for a yard and stayed in bounds. [timeout] Threw to a back over the middle for a yard [timeout]. Threw behind a TE in the middle of field for what would’ve been only 3 yards. Missed 44 yard FG. Start of the second half… went backwards on first two plays before a rolled snap results in a turnover that leads to a TD two plays later.

So, instead of expanding the lead to something like 24-6, BC is in a war at 14-12. Bottom line: Schiano>Hafley


This until the last line. You blame the QB for the whole post and then QED with a coaching conclusion. You're better than this.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby twballgame9 on Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:11 pm

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:
Supahfan99 {l Wrote}:Halftime thoughts...

O

Special Teams: Missed FG could be a killer. Not good.


Play of the game. Where did it miss (I could not tell from my angle)?


Right. But it was a weak duck off the foot and barely got there.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby Supahfan99 on Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:11 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:This is a program without any hope for future. It will never get better.


This is where I'm at.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby hansen on Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:17 pm

Luckily, it looks like the ACC is comically bad this year.

somehow find a way to beat a really bad VT team and then hope the OL makes enough progress by the time the rest of the ACC schedule comes around. Still a lot of ball left. This game means ducking nothing other than the shitty taste of losing to the fuckheads from New Jersey.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby HJS on Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:36 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:Back before Jurk caught the Grosel contagion, he used to be a master at end of half scenarios. BC within FG range 2 timeouts and 35 seconds with getting the ball to start the second half. That’s when you put a team away.

But… instead… Grosel2.0 ran for a yard and stayed in bounds. [timeout] Threw to a back over the middle for a yard [timeout]. Threw behind a TE in the middle of field for what would’ve been only 3 yards. Missed 44 yard FG. Start of the second half… went backwards on first two plays before a rolled snap results in a turnover that leads to a TD two plays later.

So, instead of expanding the lead to something like 24-6, BC is in a war at 14-12. Bottom line: Schiano>Hafley


This until the last line. You blame the QB for the whole post and then QED with a coaching conclusion. You're better than this.

Fair. While Schiano is better than Hafley, it is non sequitir. Just pissed off. Never thought GlassJurk was the second-coming of MattyIce, but his current form makes you think that Brian Kelly was right to move him to TE (as that is his likely only position in the NFL).
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:42 pm

Jurk stunk.
We just do not have the horses in the fron7, esp the DL.

But the 2 primary reasons we lost:
I. 1-3 on turnovers;
B. The Rutgers coaches made adjustments, BC did not. We should have scored more than 7 in the 1stQ as we were moving the ball easily and had wide open receivers all over the field. This was not the case at all in the 2nd half as the RU coaches figured out that we could not run the ball. On the otherside of the ball, RU understood that they were going to win pounding the rock and in the 4thQ Onwuka and Horsley were gassed. For all of the talk of our depth this preseason, we only played 8 DLs today.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby hansen on Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:50 pm




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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby twballgame9 on Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:24 pm

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:Jurk stunk.
We just do not have the horses in the fron7, esp the DL.

But the 2 primary reasons we lost:
I. 1-3 on turnovers;
B. The Rutgers coaches made adjustments, BC did not. We should have scored more than 7 in the 1stQ as we were moving the ball easily and had wide open receivers all over the field. This was not the case at all in the 2nd half as the RU coaches figured out that we could not run the ball. On the otherside of the ball, RU understood that they were going to win pounding the rock and in the 4thQ Onwuka and Horsley were gassed. For all of the talk of our depth this preseason, we only played 8 DLs today.


The two primary reasons BC lost were the OL and OL. Third reason bad QB play in the rare times he had time.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby innocentbystander on Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:47 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:Jurk stunk.
We just do not have the horses in the fron7, esp the DL.

But the 2 primary reasons we lost:
I. 1-3 on turnovers;
B. The Rutgers coaches made adjustments, BC did not. We should have scored more than 7 in the 1stQ as we were moving the ball easily and had wide open receivers all over the field. This was not the case at all in the 2nd half as the RU coaches figured out that we could not run the ball. On the otherside of the ball, RU understood that they were going to win pounding the rock and in the 4thQ Onwuka and Horsley were gassed. For all of the talk of our depth this preseason, we only played 8 DLs today.


The two primary reasons BC lost were the OL and OL. Third reason bad QB play in the rare times he had time.


(nodding)

Ted is correct

These players suck. Hafley needed to hit the transfer portal the way Jedd Fish did. Results of what Jedd did are on the field today in San Diego.

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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby LawyersGunsnMoney on Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:38 pm

Tackas has talent. Too bad he followed his position coach to BC
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby HJS on Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:50 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:Jurk stunk.
We just do not have the horses in the fron7, esp the DL.

But the 2 primary reasons we lost:
I. 1-3 on turnovers;
B. The Rutgers coaches made adjustments, BC did not. We should have scored more than 7 in the 1stQ as we were moving the ball easily and had wide open receivers all over the field. This was not the case at all in the 2nd half as the RU coaches figured out that we could not run the ball. On the otherside of the ball, RU understood that they were going to win pounding the rock and in the 4thQ Onwuka and Horsley were gassed. For all of the talk of our depth this preseason, we only played 8 DLs today.


The two primary reasons BC lost were the OL and OL. Third reason bad QB play in the rare times he had time.

I think it was a team loss and makes you wonder wtf the staff was doing to prep the team.

OL was laughable. Ridiculous/clueless performance by all 5 players. The D giving up a 96-yard all-run, game-winning drive to end the game was inexcusable. And, the team isn’t good enough to miss 44-yard FGs. My issue with Jurk is that he was awful in the first half when he had time (late and short on all his throws). He then acted like Daziani on the field the entire 2nd half screaming at players. His postgame interview made him come off as a dick (this coming days after running his mouth about ND and Kelly). Essentially, the known weakness of the team proved worse than feared and the supposed strength of the team disappointed and underperformed. The only reason it was a competitive game was the shittiness of the opponent.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:47 am

It’s over. There is no point in trying to dissect it. As I have stated elsewhere, it is a leadership problem from top to bottom and that includes Jurk. In some respects I feel bad for the kid. First year Jurk was as good a QB as we have had since Matty Ice, but the beating he took that year and last year was truly horrific. The Jurk we saw yesterday took a couple of clean shots in the first half and it destroyed him. The short arm under throws are the classic signs of an otherwise strong armed QB who is afraid of taking a beating.

Our OL is horrifically bad. Bad talent, poor technique, bad schemes. It obviously isn’t a P5 quality line, it isn’t even decent by the standards of decent non-P5 OLs. In truth, it is, at best, a quality 1AA line, which is simply unfathomable when you consider our history.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Sun Sep 04, 2022 11:33 am

HJS {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:Jurk stunk.
We just do not have the horses in the fron7, esp the DL.

But the 2 primary reasons we lost:
I. 1-3 on turnovers;
B. The Rutgers coaches made adjustments, BC did not. We should have scored more than 7 in the 1stQ as we were moving the ball easily and had wide open receivers all over the field. This was not the case at all in the 2nd half as the RU coaches figured out that we could not run the ball. On the otherside of the ball, RU understood that they were going to win pounding the rock and in the 4thQ Onwuka and Horsley were gassed. For all of the talk of our depth this preseason, we only played 8 DLs today.


The two primary reasons BC lost were the OL and OL. Third reason bad QB play in the rare times he had time.

I think it was a team loss and makes you wonder wtf the staff was doing to prep the team.

OL was laughable. Ridiculous/clueless performance by all 5 players.



6, Allick played a lot.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Sun Sep 04, 2022 11:34 am

LawyersGunsnMoney {l Wrote}:Tackas has talent. Too bad he followed his position coach to BC


Did he drop the first pass of the last possession? Looked like it from where I was sitting.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby hansen on Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:56 pm

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:Jurk stunk.
We just do not have the horses in the fron7, esp the DL.

But the 2 primary reasons we lost:
I. 1-3 on turnovers;
B. The Rutgers coaches made adjustments, BC did not. We should have scored more than 7 in the 1stQ as we were moving the ball easily and had wide open receivers all over the field. This was not the case at all in the 2nd half as the RU coaches figured out that we could not run the ball. On the otherside of the ball, RU understood that they were going to win pounding the rock and in the 4thQ Onwuka and Horsley were gassed. For all of the talk of our depth this preseason, we only played 8 DLs today.


The two primary reasons BC lost were the OL and OL. Third reason bad QB play in the rare times he had time.

I think it was a team loss and makes you wonder wtf the staff was doing to prep the team.

OL was laughable. Ridiculous/clueless performance by all 5 players.



6, Allick played a lot.


He lined up as a sixth lineman at times too.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby twballgame9 on Sun Sep 04, 2022 2:28 pm

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:
LawyersGunsnMoney {l Wrote}:Tackas has talent. Too bad he followed his position coach to BC


Did he drop the first pass of the last possession? Looked like it from where I was sitting.


Yes. He's not very good, he just is open all the time because 5 guys cover Flowers.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby flyingelvii on Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:23 pm

He was the OL coach when the Broncos hit Brady like 20 times in the AFCCG. He was promptly fired and they brought Scar back. IIRC every OL regressed in year 2 of his tenure, Brian Stork and his headbob being the worst.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby twballgame9 on Sun Sep 04, 2022 4:11 pm

flyingelvii {l Wrote}:He was the OL coach when the Broncos hit Brady like 20 times in the AFCCG. He was promptly fired and they brought Scar back. IIRC every OL regressed in year 2 of his tenure, Brian Stork and his headbob being the worst.


This. Stork is bring back bad memories.
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Re: Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Rutgers - 9/3/2022

Postby HJS on Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:47 pm

Most of the potential reasons for the shittiness on the OL are chronic for this season. However, if you want to hope for a fixable problem, it could have been Kendall fucking up the calls. He missed a bunch of time in the Summer. RU had literally an entirely new front 4. Schiano is a master at blitzing. There were a host of occasions during the second half where the C and G were chopping feet shoulder-to-shoulder touching no one while 3 players were in the backfield unabated. It is possible that those wildly blown assignments were due to mistaken gap calls. That would be about the best news possible as that is correctable with coaching.

As for the QB situation, I have a feeling Morehead could be special. Not sure why. But, he seems to have an easiness to the way he plays. Would like to see us give him some run in the blowouts we are sure to be facing in the coming weeks. At this point, might want to start building for the future.

As for the current QB, it’s been almost 2 years since he was showing flashes of being a special player. What we saw Saturday was what he was last year (which folks wishfully chalked up to being injured). 2-minute drills are all about the QB. He simply hasn’t shown the promise he displayed in the same scenarios when he first arrived on campus. Two years later, I’m wondering if he’s more Hartsell, Mutryn, Porter, Shinskie or Towles.
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