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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:32 am

https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/05/a ... -fractures

So… one the problems you have with the ACC making more than the B12 and less than the B18/SEC is that adding the schools from the P12 wouldn’t move the needle… and, in most cases, would dilute the payout. Same goes for poaching B12 teams. You finally have the issue that FSU (and maybe others) wouldn’t allow such an acquisition without being let out. I have been a believer in conference expansion for survival. By that I mean, doing what the B12 did… grow so big that it doesn’t matter how many teams you lose in the next round.

Unfortunately, the time for the ACC to have done that was this past year. They should’ve allowed anyone who wanted out to walk for $300mm per. And then, ingest the P12 in whole and create East-West divisions that have a pseudo playoff at season end to get the playoff bid. The money for the remaining ACC teams and P12 teams would’ve been less than now and more inline with the B12. But, it would’ve secured a seat.

The issue was they were looking to “close the gap” which was impossible.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby eagle33 on Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:01 pm

If FSU and Clemson leave the ACC, the ACC, Big 12, and Pac-12 would have 32 teams left. Here’s what an NFL-style 8 divisions of 4 could look like if the Big 12 offered a life raft to the survivors.

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby twballgame9 on Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:28 pm

eagle33 {l Wrote}:If FSU and Clemson leave the ACC, the ACC, Big 12, and Pac-12 would have 32 teams left. Here’s what an NFL-style 8 divisions of 4 could look like if the Big 12 offered a life raft to the survivors.

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Seems like that lends itself easily to 4 divisions of 8.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby eepstein0 on Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:23 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
eagle33 {l Wrote}:If FSU and Clemson leave the ACC, the ACC, Big 12, and Pac-12 would have 32 teams left. Here’s what an NFL-style 8 divisions of 4 could look like if the Big 12 offered a life raft to the survivors.

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https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1688269579372646400


Seems like that lends itself easily to 4 divisions of 8.


I honestly could get behind this, but I think a bunch of these schools are going to leave for the Big10/SEC
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Eaglekeeper on Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:32 pm

ESPN will pay both Stanford and Cal full shares to join the ACC. In addition the ACCN gets a higher payout by having a team in California. SMU is being considered because of the payout to the ACCN. The pay out per team increases to 50 million per team starting in 2026. The ACC payout will be much higher in the ACC. It’s possible in 2031 that some of the B12 teams will get poached by the ACC.

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:10 pm

Eaglekeeper {l Wrote}:ESPN will pay both Stanford and Cal full shares to join the ACC. In addition the ACCN gets a higher payout by having a team in California. SMU is being considered because of the payout to the ACCN. The pay out per team increases to 50 million per team starting in 2026. The ACC payout will be much higher in the ACC. It’s possible in 2031 that some of the B12 teams will get poached by the ACC.

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby JesuitIvy on Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:50 pm

No one is talking about a dome! Disgustiad
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:04 am

Eaglekeeper {l Wrote}:ESPN will pay both Stanford and Cal full shares to join the ACC. In addition the ACCN gets a higher payout by having a team in California. SMU is being considered because of the payout to the ACCN. The pay out per team increases to 50 million per team starting in 2026. The ACC payout will be much higher in the ACC. It’s possible in 2031 that some of the B12 teams will get poached by the ACC.

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:21 am

eagle33 {l Wrote}:Image


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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby eepstein0 on Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:53 am

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:
eagle33 {l Wrote}:Image


This!


This makes too much sense.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:35 pm

Gene Smith (who just announced his retirement) has offered that idea for years. However, it would involve coordination and economics that simply does not in the current free-for-all.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby claver2010 on Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:07 am

shout out to ND for pushing for 2 worthless football programs while they won't join themselves.

who had the brilliant idea was it to give them a full voting share
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:40 am

claver2010 {l Wrote}:shout out to ND for pushing for 2 worthless football programs while they won't join themselves.

who had the brilliant idea was it to give them a full voting share

They are the only member who can guarantee their inclusion.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Logitano on Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:29 pm

claver2010 {l Wrote}:shout out to ND for pushing for 2 worthless football programs while they won't join themselves.

who had the brilliant idea was it to give them a full voting share


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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby innocentbystander on Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:53 am



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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby twballgame9 on Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:40 am

It's just East Coast bias.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby innocentbystander on Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:06 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:It's just East Coast bias.


yeah

things are a little different for USC because they are the one school that has more of a "national" appeal. Playing Notre Dame every single year doesn't hurt its brand, it only helps it. So when Pete Carrol was running things and they were winning the national championships, they started out the season high in the polls, even number one in the polls. That never happened for really any other West Coast team, not even Oregon

I wasn't living in Phoenix at the time but given I worked with so many Sun Devil grads over the years, their biggest complaint about the college football scene is that the nation didn't give ASU any respect when they were awesome. None. The year they played Ohio State in the Rose Bowl, they had not only defeated an unbeatable Nebraska, they shut them out. They smoked 'em and the whole country, yawned. Even on the day of the Rose Bowl (maybe the best Rose Bowl there ever was), everyone was expecting the Buckeyes to demolish ASU. No, it was so very close.

ASU and U-of-A, its 100+ in September so they play at night. The rest of the country is sleeping so they aren't going to see how good they are when they are so RARELY, good. No one tuned in to television, means no ratings. No ratings means no power to negotiate big $$$$$.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:31 am

The ACC should've merged with the Pac-10 years ago when UCLA, USC and Oregon were members of the conference. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense now.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby innocentbystander on Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:55 am

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:The ACC should've merged with the Pac-10 years ago when UCLA, USC and Oregon were members of the conference. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense now.


Pac-FOUR now

Reluctancy to "merge" is predicated on jobs. Merging means 2 administrations become 1 administration and half of the administrators lose their jobs. They have a vested financial interest to "keep'em-separated" even if that is not in the interest of the schools themselves.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby kobenhavn on Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:59 pm

Adding 2 or 3 teams means adding 2 or 3 votes for not dissolving the ACC. If it is true that one way out for those who want to leave is to get a majority vote, that would currently be 8. Reports say 5 to 7 are potentially ready to vote to dissolve the conference, so you would expect those most interested in leaving to oppose adding teams. That seems to be the case with FSU, UNC, NCSt, Clemson said to be the four blocking the additional teams. ND does not want the league dissolved, so adding teams is a positive for ND beyond just adding Stanford. I dont beieve it is coincidence that the schools considered most interested in getting out are the ones opposing adding teams. Florida St and Clemson arent worried that the water polo squad might miss a few classes and UNC athletes dont even have classes.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby innocentbystander on Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:21 pm



ACC may not be expanding
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:28 pm

Stanford seems confident it has the votes now that the obvious happened and no one left because they aren't wanted as much as they think.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby BCEagles25 on Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:03 pm

Ironic that 18-19 years after UConn and BC’s fallout over the Big East departure that UConn’s hypothetical joining the ACC might seriously save BC’s involvement in Power 3/4 sports. If none of those west coast bodies-in-the-water-of-a-shipwreck join the ACC, why wouldn’t UConn be coaxed to join immediately?

The ACC teams motivated to dissolve would be my guess, or any exit fees for UConn (think San Diego St’s exit fee doubling from $17m to $34m because the Pac-12 wanted to die)
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby BCEagles25 on Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:26 pm

Also, more Florida teams becoming relevant is very bad for BC recruiting. UCF has immediately benefited, obviously, joining the B12. Look at their recruiting class. Florida is a place where BC has historically been able to find gems and the more Power 4 competition there the worse. The only thing BC has going for it in this evolving hellscape/landscape is their relative isolation regarding TV market
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby PhillyandBCEagles on Fri Aug 18, 2023 1:54 pm

BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:Ironic that 18-19 years after UConn and BC’s fallout over the Big East departure that UConn’s hypothetical joining the ACC might seriously save BC’s involvement in Power 3/4 sports. If none of those west coast bodies-in-the-water-of-a-shipwreck join the ACC, why wouldn’t UConn be coaxed to join immediately?

The ACC teams motivated to dissolve would be my guess, or any exit fees for UConn (think San Diego St’s exit fee doubling from $17m to $34m because the Pac-12 wanted to die)


UConn brings little to the table. If you're adding Stanford/Cal/SMU and want to add a 4th to keep even numbers, the obvious choice would be either Tulane or Rice as a travel partner for SMU (Tulane has better sports, Rice has a bigger media market and is closer to Dallas).
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby BCEagles25 on Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:22 pm

PhillyandBCEagles {l Wrote}:
BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:Ironic that 18-19 years after UConn and BC’s fallout over the Big East departure that UConn’s hypothetical joining the ACC might seriously save BC’s involvement in Power 3/4 sports. If none of those west coast bodies-in-the-water-of-a-shipwreck join the ACC, why wouldn’t UConn be coaxed to join immediately?

The ACC teams motivated to dissolve would be my guess, or any exit fees for UConn (think San Diego St’s exit fee doubling from $17m to $34m because the Pac-12 wanted to die)


UConn brings little to the table. If you're adding Stanford/Cal/SMU and want to add a 4th to keep even numbers, the obvious choice would be either Tulane or Rice as a travel partner for SMU (Tulane has better sports, Rice has a bigger media market and is closer to Dallas).


Adding Tulane and SMU over UConn and Memphis seems unlikely but these decisions now tend to be about spreading the TV map as broadly as possible, so maybe. It would certainly make for a less exciting ACC. The ACC would also be squarely the best basketball conference with UConn and Memphis. I’d even be okay with demanding Villanova invest more in football in order for an ACC invite. The Philly TV market is lucrative to say the least
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Bryn Mawr Eagle on Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:29 am

BCEagles25 {l Wrote}: I’d even be okay with demanding Villanova invest more in football in order for an ACC invite. The Philly TV market is lucrative to say the least


I wish; but this is not happening. Villanova has decided it can be successful without Power 5 (or 4) football money. It's more likely they drop football than move up in that sport.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:29 am

Sounds like this is playing out the way it should've a year ago. The problem is that the ACC lost out on UDub and Oregon by not acting proactively. Maybe Cal and Stanford needed the world to implode before agreeing to a reduced rate? The end result in all of this is that free SMU, partial share Cal/Stan creates an additional $50mm+ closes-the-gap payment for the top 3 FB teams.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

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