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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Bryn Mawr Eagle on Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:44 pm

So if the ACC presidents had planned to hold a meeting last night, that must mean one of the 4 expansion hold outs must have flipped, right? Why else would they have scheduled the meeting?
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby xu9697 on Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:59 am

The data changed and it seemed like Stanford, Cal and SMU are making additional concessions to give current members more $. I ready somewhere it could be as much as $72 million for a school like FSU. So my guess is they are hopeful this will sway AT LEAST 1 of the 4.

If Stanford joins, since they play ND every year, hopefully that allows the ACC to maybe capitalize on that match-up as well for additional $. Basically would be a 6th ACC team ND plays yearly.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby JesuitIvy on Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:39 am

Stanford, Cal & SMU all in for all sports, sez ESPN. Good for BC - a chance to get in front of California alum ni more often
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Sep 01, 2023 8:28 am

JesuitIvy {l Wrote}:Stanford, Cal & SMU all in for all sports, sez ESPN. Good for BC - a chance to get in front of California alum ni more often


Nothing says Atlantic Coast like Stanford & Cal
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby xu9697 on Fri Sep 01, 2023 8:34 am

It will be interesting to see what happens with Stanford vs. ND.

Does Stanford become part of the yearly "5 teams pool"? Or do Stanford and ND continue to play yearly and ACC basically gets a "6th ACC match-up". Not sure how all of that works, but getting ND more embedded can only help give the ACC a fighting chance to keep more of the current schools in the conference.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby innocentbystander on Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:57 am

JesuitIvy {l Wrote}:Stanford, Cal & SMU all in for all sports, sez ESPN. Good for BC - a chance to get in front of California alum ni more often


wow.

I guess it only took 40 years for SMU to fully recover from the "death sentence."

Anyway, I guess this is all good news from an ACC survival (even if we are dead last out of the 4 remaining Power-5) standpoint. And given the teams that are in the Big-XII (and I include Utah, ASU, and U-of-A at this point) I still think the ACC is #3 with who they have.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Bryn Mawr Eagle on Fri Sep 01, 2023 10:17 am

Any word on how everyone voted? If this would up being unanimous it would be a good sign for the conference; at least in the short term.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby jboston19 on Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:01 am

Bryn Mawr Eagle {l Wrote}:Any word on how everyone voted? If this would up being unanimous it would be a good sign for the conference; at least in the short term.



12-3. NC State flipped. https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... rd-cal-smu
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby innocentbystander on Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:38 am

jboston19 {l Wrote}:
Bryn Mawr Eagle {l Wrote}:Any word on how everyone voted? If this would up being unanimous it would be a good sign for the conference; at least in the short term.



12-3. NC State flipped. https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... rd-cal-smu


(tongue-in-cheek) I'm sure the wolfies (being super elated after their gloriously overwhelming 10 point victory over the Huskies last night) weren't thinking straight
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby hansen on Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:04 am

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
JesuitIvy {l Wrote}:Stanford, Cal & SMU all in for all sports, sez ESPN. Good for BC - a chance to get in front of California alum ni more often


Nothing says Atlantic Coast like Stanford & Cal


Nothing says micropenis like eepstein
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby innocentbystander on Sat Sep 02, 2023 10:08 am

hansen {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
JesuitIvy {l Wrote}:Stanford, Cal & SMU all in for all sports, sez ESPN. Good for BC - a chance to get in front of California alum ni more often


Nothing says Atlantic Coast like Stanford & Cal


Nothing says micropenis like eepstein


in the depositions, the attorneys for the then 14 year old girls (now 30+ year old women) said Jeffrey's penis was "egg shaped" and not "micro"

get it right hansen
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby angrychicken on Tue Sep 05, 2023 2:11 pm

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:
hansen {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:
JesuitIvy {l Wrote}:Stanford, Cal & SMU all in for all sports, sez ESPN. Good for BC - a chance to get in front of California alum ni more often


Nothing says Atlantic Coast like Stanford & Cal


Nothing says micropenis like eepstein


in the depositions, the attorneys for the then 14 year old girls (now 30+ year old women) said Jeffrey's penis was "egg shaped" and not "micro"

get it right hansen


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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby eepstein0 on Mon Dec 04, 2023 9:28 am

https://x.com/MHver3/status/1731476810993369216?s=20

This is out there. Allegedly BC reached out to the Big12 yesterday.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:30 am

Who am I to doubt a West Virginia not-media-just-an-internet-guy-"with sources" (who I believe was cited with some of the most inaccurate of takes last over the Summer).

But explain to me the logic that results in leaving the ACC early for a conference that gets paid less from ESPN (and whose highest ranked member is newcomer Arizona at 14)? Oh wait... is this all because FSU is still mad that North Alabama and UFlorida ended their season?

Again... the lesson learned is that, if you are not in the B10 and SEC, you are a forgotten entity. That includes... in particular... the B12.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:21 am

HJS {l Wrote}:Again... the lesson learned is that, if you are not in the B10 and SEC, you are a forgotten entity. That includes... in particular... the B12.


Of course.

College football is a rust belt/Bible belt sport. That's it.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:56 am

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby ATLeagle on Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:18 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:Chip Kelly speaking truth
https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... conference


There will be break off but it won't be 64 teams. The Bamas of the world don't want to share their money with the Oregon States of college football.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby miutbc on Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:06 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:Chip Kelly speaking truth
https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... conference


Inevitable and will likely be the end of nonfb sports at many schools.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:25 am

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:Chip Kelly speaking truth
https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... conference


There will be break off but it won't be 64 teams. The Bamas of the world don't want to share their money with the Oregon States of college football.

The Bamas of the world don't want to share their money with Tennessee or Auburn. In ANY future scenario (including a Big2), there will undoubtedly be a uneven revenue sharing. Chip's scenario (which won't happen) never talks about splitting the money evenly between Texas and UCLA.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Mon Dec 18, 2023 2:52 pm

Bama is utterly irrelevant when it comes to whether a revenue-sharing proposal would be accepted. In the Chip Kelly scenario where everyone is independent, the Big Dogs would be Notre Dame, followed by Texas, USC, Michigan and Ohio State. Bama would be one of many upper middle tier schools from a non-conference revenue generation standpoint with schools like Penn State, LSU, A&M, Oklahoma, Florida, UGA, FSU, etc. Alabama--and the schools listed--are simply not national brands nor big revenue generators as independent entities. If the Super Conference were run like MLB where everyone is running around looking for its own TV deal, Bama would be playing the Washington Nationals to Notre Dame/Texas/USC/Michigan/Ohio State's Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox. From Bama's perspective, the NFL revenue sharing model is best as it allows them to keep up with the few national brands.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:17 pm

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... g-cfp-snub

Holy shit. Leave already. Really would love for a school like Duke or BC or even Wake just start talking smack about FSU being a non-academic institution who of course cares more about paying players than teaching them.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:47 pm

They were snubbed because the team was at best mediocre without a QB. Zero reason FSU should have been even considered. That's not even a top 10 team without the QB. They also have nowhere to go, and no leverage. STFU, you're NCSU.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:25 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:They were snubbed because the team was at best mediocre without a QB. Zero reason FSU should have been even considered. That's not even a top 10 team without the QB. They also have nowhere to go, and no leverage. STFU, you're NCSU.

This. They opened as a 14 point underdog to the 6th ranked team. They would’ve been a 3-TD-dog at a minimum to Michigan. Of course, the mouth breathing Semineers will use such a blowout as justification for leaving because the team wasn’t used to playing against elite teams in the ACC. Go independent and see how that works for you. Good news is you can continue to play Northern Alabama and U of Florida (both of whom are the reason FSU didn’t have QBs).
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby eepstein0 on Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:41 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:They were snubbed because the team was at best mediocre without a QB. Zero reason FSU should have been even considered. That's not even a top 10 team without the QB. They also have nowhere to go, and no leverage. STFU, you're NCSU.

This. They opened as a 14 point underdog to the 6th ranked team. They would’ve been a 3-TD-dog at a minimum to Michigan. Of course, the mouth breathing Semineers will use such a blowout as justification for leaving because the team wasn’t used to playing against elite teams in the ACC. Go independent and see how that works for you. Good news is you can continue to play Northern Alabama and U of Florida (both of whom are the reason FSU didn’t have QBs).


FSU has zero leverage, but BC needs FSU to stay in the ACC. The ACC dissolving is the end of BC playing big-time football.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby ATLeagle on Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:11 pm

I still think all this FSU stuff is bullshit. Say FSU is willing to pay 120 million to leave. How or why would the Big Ten pay them a full share without their media rights? Until I see a clear legal path for them to get their rights back prior to 2035, I won't believe any of this.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:48 am

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:I still think all this FSU stuff is bullshit. Say FSU is willing to pay 120 million to leave. How or why would the Big Ten pay them a full share without their media rights? Until I see a clear legal path for them to get their rights back prior to 2035, I won't believe any of this.

Thamel did a whole piece on how there isn't really a landing spot for FSU without FSU taking some cut-rate deal like Oregon/UDub (which is comparable to what it already gets in the ACC). They have also allegedly determined that independence isn't viable. Other points made centered around how no one will touch them with litigation pending and that their public comments about the ACC has soured B10/SEC folks as to what kind of "partner" they would be if they joined. All that said... they have called an emergency Board meeting to begin the process of leaving.

There seems to be a lot bring made about this idea that Private Equity will be their savior. Private Equity investing in FSU's revenue stream just means that FSU gets a bump today to get less in the future. That makes sense when a institution is trying to buyout a Jimbo-like contract. But, in this case, FSU doesn't have a problem today. Their gnashing of teeth is that, in 8 years, there is a prediction of a $30mm gap. Where PE would help is after leaving the ACC, they agree to a half-payout deal with the B10 for 10 years. The PE money could close the gap during that period. But, once the full payout hits, FSU will permanently be receiving less (as let's-say-20% goes to the PE fund). PE money is an investment... not a donation. Essentially, FSU would need to be pretty certain as to what College Sports will look like in 2050 for such an investment to make sense.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby BCEagles25 on Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:44 pm

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:FSU has zero leverage, but BC needs FSU to stay in the ACC. The ACC dissolving is the end of BC playing big-time football.


This. BC put itself in this position by allowing their own decline. This situation happening in 2008 would have been fine, probably.

Also if FSU joins one of these superconferences they won’t have to worry about being an undefeated snub anymore. Have fun hauling your extremely expensive program to the Sun Bowl
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby eepstein0 on Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:26 pm

BCEagles25 {l Wrote}:
eepstein0 {l Wrote}:FSU has zero leverage, but BC needs FSU to stay in the ACC. The ACC dissolving is the end of BC playing big-time football.


This. BC put itself in this position by allowing their own decline. This situation happening in 2008 would have been fine, probably.

Also if FSU joins one of these superconferences they won’t have to worry about being an undefeated snub anymore. Have fun hauling your extremely expensive program to the Sun Bowl


BC was always screwed in this new model even way back in 2008. The Big10/SEC wants nothing to do with BC.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:52 pm

Was BC a land grant school with 30k undergrads in 2008?
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:23 pm

I do like BC fans that think FSU is irrelevant but BC is lucky to have them. Makes me feel reassured that I can get shitfaced and be smarter than 90% of the population sober.
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