innocentbystander {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:I think it is real hard sometimes for recruiters (not just BC, but all college recruiters) to figure out if a high school offensive lineman is totally dominating their opponents in high school because of an advantage in size and physical power OR superior athletic ability. If they did what they did simply because they were so much bigger than every 15, 16, and 17 year old defensive tackle/nose guard they lined up against, then maybe they will have the same tremendous success in college against much bigger and much faster defensive linemen. That was the case for Damien Woody, Dan Koppen, Chris Snee, and (with a little bit of personal experience here since he kicked my ass at Players Edge football camp) Tom Nalen.
If, however, they did what they did because they were such better athletes on the line (so much quicker and more athletic than ordinary linemen), then that is something different, something a good line coach can use and turn that player into a outstanding college offensive linemen, provided they are tall enough. Two such athletic O-linemen cases stick out like a sore thumb for BC: Pete Kendall and Anthony Costanzo. Pete Kendall's Senior year at Arch Bishop Williams High School in Braintree MA, he was 6'5" 195 pounds (yes ONE-ninety-five.) That is way light for an offensive tackle, but he was kicking everyone's ass and Archie's was doing well. His outstanding performance in high school could only be attributed to his better athletic ability (he was out-athleting the slow, tubby, defensive tackles.) So he red-shirted, put on some weight to go with his height, and because he was already an athlete, he did very well in college as an offensive linemen. Same goes for Costanzo. When Jags got him, he showed up on campus @ 230 pounds. But he was a superior linemen due to his athleticism. So they rushed him and packed the weight on, got him up to 260 pounds for Matty Ice's Senior year. Costanzo sucked a little bit as right tackle (true freshman, what do you expect) but by the time he was a Junior, he was one of the best in the nation.
I won't let myself get into some nonsensical IB debate. I will just point out that your statements regarding the specific players used as examples are way the eff off. For instance, I knew Pete since freshman year and at no point was he under 200 lbs. You are likely getting him confused with Mamula who was around 190 freshman year. Kendall was big enough that he had an offer from most major universities... including ND (which was still flying high under Holtz). Coughlin poached Mamula from UNH just to fill out the class.
I am not getting anyone confused. You are the one who is confused.
Pete Kendall was tall and lanky in High School, 6' 5", weighed 195 pounds at Archies. He was the #2 high school recruit in the State of Massachusetts his Senior year, (#2 behind Whitman-Hanson's QB, O'Brien.) By the time you met him, I'm sure he was just up over 200 pounds.
He red shirted in 1991 specifically to bulk up, was much too light to play offense line. By the time he was a 5th-year-Senior, he was up near 290 pounds.
eaglecaddy {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:I think it is real hard sometimes for recruiters (not just BC, but all college recruiters) to figure out if a high school offensive lineman is totally dominating their opponents in high school because of an advantage in size and physical power OR superior athletic ability. If they did what they did simply because they were so much bigger than every 15, 16, and 17 year old defensive tackle/nose guard they lined up against, then maybe they will have the same tremendous success in college against much bigger and much faster defensive linemen. That was the case for Damien Woody, Dan Koppen, Chris Snee, and (with a little bit of personal experience here since he kicked my ass at Players Edge football camp) Tom Nalen.
If, however, they did what they did because they were such better athletes on the line (so much quicker and more athletic than ordinary linemen), then that is something different, something a good line coach can use and turn that player into a outstanding college offensive linemen, provided they are tall enough. Two such athletic O-linemen cases stick out like a sore thumb for BC: Pete Kendall and Anthony Costanzo. Pete Kendall's Senior year at Arch Bishop Williams High School in Braintree MA, he was 6'5" 195 pounds (yes ONE-ninety-five.) That is way light for an offensive tackle, but he was kicking everyone's ass and Archie's was doing well. His outstanding performance in high school could only be attributed to his better athletic ability (he was out-athleting the slow, tubby, defensive tackles.) So he red-shirted, put on some weight to go with his height, and because he was already an athlete, he did very well in college as an offensive linemen. Same goes for Costanzo. When Jags got him, he showed up on campus @ 230 pounds. But he was a superior linemen due to his athleticism. So they rushed him and packed the weight on, got him up to 260 pounds for Matty Ice's Senior year. Costanzo sucked a little bit as right tackle (true freshman, what do you expect) but by the time he was a Junior, he was one of the best in the nation.
I won't let myself get into some nonsensical IB debate. I will just point out that your statements regarding the specific players used as examples are way the eff off. For instance, I knew Pete since freshman year and at no point was he under 200 lbs. You are likely getting him confused with Mamula who was around 190 freshman year. Kendall was big enough that he had an offer from most major universities... including ND (which was still flying high under Holtz). Coughlin poached Mamula from UNH just to fill out the class.
I am not getting anyone confused. You are the one who is confused.
Pete Kendall was tall and lanky in High School, 6' 5", weighed 195 pounds at Archies. He was the #2 high school recruit in the State of Massachusetts his Senior year, (#2 behind Whitman-Hanson's QB, O'Brien.) By the time you met him, I'm sure he was just up over 200 pounds.
He red shirted in 1991 specifically to bulk up, was much too light to play offense line. By the time he was a 5th-year-Senior, he was up near 290 pounds.
Pete Kendall according to his official BC bio was on the travel squad as a member of the second team as a true freshman but preserved his redshirt by not seeing game action. I am calling on this btardo story.
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:eaglecaddy {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:I think it is real hard sometimes for recruiters (not just BC, but all college recruiters) to figure out if a high school offensive lineman is totally dominating their opponents in high school because of an advantage in size and physical power OR superior athletic ability. If they did what they did simply because they were so much bigger than every 15, 16, and 17 year old defensive tackle/nose guard they lined up against, then maybe they will have the same tremendous success in college against much bigger and much faster defensive linemen. That was the case for Damien Woody, Dan Koppen, Chris Snee, and (with a little bit of personal experience here since he kicked my ass at Players Edge football camp) Tom Nalen.
If, however, they did what they did because they were such better athletes on the line (so much quicker and more athletic than ordinary linemen), then that is something different, something a good line coach can use and turn that player into a outstanding college offensive linemen, provided they are tall enough. Two such athletic O-linemen cases stick out like a sore thumb for BC: Pete Kendall and Anthony Costanzo. Pete Kendall's Senior year at Arch Bishop Williams High School in Braintree MA, he was 6'5" 195 pounds (yes ONE-ninety-five.) That is way light for an offensive tackle, but he was kicking everyone's ass and Archie's was doing well. His outstanding performance in high school could only be attributed to his better athletic ability (he was out-athleting the slow, tubby, defensive tackles.) So he red-shirted, put on some weight to go with his height, and because he was already an athlete, he did very well in college as an offensive linemen. Same goes for Costanzo. When Jags got him, he showed up on campus @ 230 pounds. But he was a superior linemen due to his athleticism. So they rushed him and packed the weight on, got him up to 260 pounds for Matty Ice's Senior year. Costanzo sucked a little bit as right tackle (true freshman, what do you expect) but by the time he was a Junior, he was one of the best in the nation.
I won't let myself get into some nonsensical IB debate. I will just point out that your statements regarding the specific players used as examples are way the eff off. For instance, I knew Pete since freshman year and at no point was he under 200 lbs. You are likely getting him confused with Mamula who was around 190 freshman year. Kendall was big enough that he had an offer from most major universities... including ND (which was still flying high under Holtz). Coughlin poached Mamula from UNH just to fill out the class.
I am not getting anyone confused. You are the one who is confused.
Pete Kendall was tall and lanky in High School, 6' 5", weighed 195 pounds at Archies. He was the #2 high school recruit in the State of Massachusetts his Senior year, (#2 behind Whitman-Hanson's QB, O'Brien.) By the time you met him, I'm sure he was just up over 200 pounds.
He red shirted in 1991 specifically to bulk up, was much too light to play offense line. By the time he was a 5th-year-Senior, he was up near 290 pounds.
Pete Kendall according to his official BC bio was on the travel squad as a member of the second team as a true freshman but preserved his redshirt by not seeing game action. I am calling on this btardo story.
call it whatever you want. Pete weighed 195 his senior year in high school. he was 6'5". i don't know what he weighed in December of 1991, but December 1990 he was 195 pounds, very Anthony Costanzo-esque
they had all sorts of articles about his lean frame in the papers the year he was rated the second best college football prospect in the state. i don't know what happened to W-H's O'brien.
HJS {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:eaglecaddy {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:innocentbystander {l Wrote}:I think it is real hard sometimes for recruiters (not just BC, but all college recruiters) to figure out if a high school offensive lineman is totally dominating their opponents in high school because of an advantage in size and physical power OR superior athletic ability. If they did what they did simply because they were so much bigger than every 15, 16, and 17 year old defensive tackle/nose guard they lined up against, then maybe they will have the same tremendous success in college against much bigger and much faster defensive linemen. That was the case for Damien Woody, Dan Koppen, Chris Snee, and (with a little bit of personal experience here since he kicked my ass at Players Edge football camp) Tom Nalen.
If, however, they did what they did because they were such better athletes on the line (so much quicker and more athletic than ordinary linemen), then that is something different, something a good line coach can use and turn that player into a outstanding college offensive linemen, provided they are tall enough. Two such athletic O-linemen cases stick out like a sore thumb for BC: Pete Kendall and Anthony Costanzo. Pete Kendall's Senior year at Arch Bishop Williams High School in Braintree MA, he was 6'5" 195 pounds (yes ONE-ninety-five.) That is way light for an offensive tackle, but he was kicking everyone's ass and Archie's was doing well. His outstanding performance in high school could only be attributed to his better athletic ability (he was out-athleting the slow, tubby, defensive tackles.) So he red-shirted, put on some weight to go with his height, and because he was already an athlete, he did very well in college as an offensive linemen. Same goes for Costanzo. When Jags got him, he showed up on campus @ 230 pounds. But he was a superior linemen due to his athleticism. So they rushed him and packed the weight on, got him up to 260 pounds for Matty Ice's Senior year. Costanzo sucked a little bit as right tackle (true freshman, what do you expect) but by the time he was a Junior, he was one of the best in the nation.
I won't let myself get into some nonsensical IB debate. I will just point out that your statements regarding the specific players used as examples are way the eff off. For instance, I knew Pete since freshman year and at no point was he under 200 lbs. You are likely getting him confused with Mamula who was around 190 freshman year. Kendall was big enough that he had an offer from most major universities... including ND (which was still flying high under Holtz). Coughlin poached Mamula from UNH just to fill out the class.
I am not getting anyone confused. You are the one who is confused.
Pete Kendall was tall and lanky in High School, 6' 5", weighed 195 pounds at Archies. He was the #2 high school recruit in the State of Massachusetts his Senior year, (#2 behind Whitman-Hanson's QB, O'Brien.) By the time you met him, I'm sure he was just up over 200 pounds.
He red shirted in 1991 specifically to bulk up, was much too light to play offense line. By the time he was a 5th-year-Senior, he was up near 290 pounds.
Pete Kendall according to his official BC bio was on the travel squad as a member of the second team as a true freshman but preserved his redshirt by not seeing game action. I am calling on this btardo story.
call it whatever you want. Pete weighed 195 his senior year in high school. he was 6'5". i don't know what he weighed in December of 1991, but December 1990 he was 195 pounds, very Anthony Costanzo-esque
they had all sorts of articles about his lean frame in the papers the year he was rated the second best college football prospect in the state. i don't know what happened to W-H's O'brien.
Are you thinking about Jeff Ryan (outta Waltham)? He was part of that class and played all 4 years at QB. There were also the O'Brien brothers (Tim and Joe) from Hanson. But, they were OL and DL at BC. Tim was the smaller of the two... but, would be surprised if he was a QB (he never played the position at BC)... let alone one good enough to be considered a better prospect than Kendall.
xu9697 {l Wrote}:http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2012/01/the-last-refuge-of-failure#more
From the article:
"Unfortunately, the Buckeyes' new OL coach will also have his work cut out for him, as Bollman's parting gift to Ohio State is a roster so completely devoid of linemen that next year's depth chart will once again feature the same names twice: Once as a starter, and again - same player - as a backup elsewhere on the line.
Under Bollman offensive line depth, technique and discipline were lacking.Bollman's replacement will arrive in Columbus and find that he has exactly two returning offensive tackles: Andrew Norwell, who is pretty good, and Antonio Underwood [uncomfortable silence].
Reid Fragel is moving from TE to OT, a position that he has never played, yet he is a shoe-in to be the starter opposite Norwell. Still think Bollman bashing is hyperbolic?"
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:While I trust the OSU fans more than people who have not seen this guy's body of work, the ridiculous level criticism seems a bit odd. Of course, it can also be the case that because they have championship standards and championships staffers, that they consider someone who is a good but not championship caliber coach to be dreadful. It's all relative.
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:While I trust the OSU fans more than people who have not seen this guy's body of work, the ridiculous level criticism seems a bit odd.
HJS {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:While I trust the OSU fans more than people who have not seen this guy's body of work, the ridiculous level criticism seems a bit odd.
It's really not that odd for an OC. If Bollman was hired in that capacity, I would be scared. We all hated Bible and Tranq... but, if they were hired by a school only as a QB coach, I wouldn't necessarily predict disaster. I'd point out that our QBs stalled/regressed in development but also admit that (as OC) they had responsibilities beyond QB and that maybe they didn't have adequate time to work with and develop the QBs (just worried about implementing their system and weekly gameplans).
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:While I trust the OSU fans more than people who have not seen this guy's body of work, the ridiculous level criticism seems a bit odd.
It's really not that odd for an OC. If Bollman was hired in that capacity, I would be scared. We all hated Bible and Tranq... but, if they were hired by a school only as a QB coach, I wouldn't necessarily predict disaster. I'd point out that our QBs stalled/regressed in development but also admit that (as OC) they had responsibilities beyond QB and that maybe they didn't have adequate time to work with and develop the QBs (just worried about implementing their system and weekly gameplans).
Right, I should have been more specific in that when it was pointed out that he wouldn't be calling plays, most OSU fans said it didn't matter and specifically said why he was a horrible OL coach too. They clearly hated him before he took over as OC.
HJS {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:While I trust the OSU fans more than people who have not seen this guy's body of work, the ridiculous level criticism seems a bit odd.
It's really not that odd for an OC. If Bollman was hired in that capacity, I would be scared. We all hated Bible and Tranq... but, if they were hired by a school only as a QB coach, I wouldn't necessarily predict disaster. I'd point out that our QBs stalled/regressed in development but also admit that (as OC) they had responsibilities beyond QB and that maybe they didn't have adequate time to work with and develop the QBs (just worried about implementing their system and weekly gameplans).
Right, I should have been more specific in that when it was pointed out that he wouldn't be calling plays, most OSU fans said it didn't matter and specifically said why he was a horrible OL coach too. They clearly hated him before he took over as OC.
I should point out that most OSU fans are too stupid to even attend OSU.
HJS {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:While I trust the OSU fans more than people who have not seen this guy's body of work, the ridiculous level criticism seems a bit odd.
It's really not that odd for an OC. If Bollman was hired in that capacity, I would be scared. We all hated Bible and Tranq... but, if they were hired by a school only as a QB coach, I wouldn't necessarily predict disaster. I'd point out that our QBs stalled/regressed in development but also admit that (as OC) they had responsibilities beyond QB and that maybe they didn't have adequate time to work with and develop the QBs (just worried about implementing their system and weekly gameplans).
Right, I should have been more specific in that when it was pointed out that he wouldn't be calling plays, most OSU fans said it didn't matter and specifically said why he was a horrible OL coach too. They clearly hated him before he took over as OC.
I should point out that most OSU fans are too stupid to even attend OSU.
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:pick6pedro {l Wrote}:While I trust the OSU fans more than people who have not seen this guy's body of work, the ridiculous level criticism seems a bit odd.
It's really not that odd for an OC. If Bollman was hired in that capacity, I would be scared. We all hated Bible and Tranq... but, if they were hired by a school only as a QB coach, I wouldn't necessarily predict disaster. I'd point out that our QBs stalled/regressed in development but also admit that (as OC) they had responsibilities beyond QB and that maybe they didn't have adequate time to work with and develop the QBs (just worried about implementing their system and weekly gameplans).
Right, I should have been more specific in that when it was pointed out that he wouldn't be calling plays, most OSU fans said it didn't matter and specifically said why he was a horrible OL coach too. They clearly hated him before he took over as OC.
I should point out that most OSU fans are too stupid to even attend OSU.
There is that. I still think the relatively of the situations is more of what I lean on to convince myself it is not a bad hire.
HJS {l Wrote}:If he is the ST coach, you'd have to think he would also pick up RC responsibilities. Though, that should never be announced until AFTER this POS recruiting class is signed. Then again, if Ravo is still vacationing with Coach Flip, his incompetence may still being protected.
Bunratty {l Wrote}:On EA, Farrell is saying that Siravo is still DB and RC.
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:Hafley did BC a huge favor. We don't have to buy him out and his departure is great timing. We really don't risk losing anyone currently enrolled because where are they going to go? They wouldn't be able to enroll any where until June so it would be stupid to leave now. The only real risk is with the committed unenrolled kids, which would be Martinez and the 11 FRs. JH recruited Martinez at 0.0hio St and he has other suiters so there is defiantly a chance we could lose him. As far as the FRs, only Dixon and Torrence had other offers.
durkcal {l Wrote}:Al would be better than Haf, for sure, but there would be lots of mismanagement issues, the staff would be terrible, game management etc... It would be a mess. But the team would be tough, and there would be accountability. Hafley didn't have any of the latter. And he had some of the former.
BostonCollege1 {l Wrote}:durkcal {l Wrote}:Al would be better than Haf, for sure, but there would be lots of mismanagement issues, the staff would be terrible, game management etc... It would be a mess. But the team would be tough, and there would be accountability. Hafley didn't have any of the latter. And he had some of the former.
Why do you think there would be lots of issues re: management with Al? I have no idea what he's like as a coach, so I'm curious.
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