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When the Yankees lost in 1964, to Bob Gibson, Ken Boyer and the Cardinals, they picked up Johnny Keane Manager of the Cardinals and fired Yogi Berra. I figured the Yankees would never lose a pennant when I was that age. Yogi was humiliated and it was a blessing for the luckiest guy on earth.

Then 1965. Injuries and old age and baseball being the game it is --- the Yankees started the slide in bolivian. I had to wait until 1976 for another banner and then 1977 and 1978. Never missed one playoff or WS Game in 3 years.

Sabathia has gone a lotta miles lately and he may have lost 25 pounds but with that body he could gain it back in 10 minutes in NYC. His knee is balky too. Burnett seems disinterested and has 3 years left. Hughes will have a big year, but Nova, Mitre, Prior?, Colon?, Garcia? Madrigal? -depending on rookies??? --- and a bunch of retreads and not finding a hitter in the outfield like Crawford??

They paid $45M too much for Jeter and 2 years too many. A-Rod seems to have lost his fire and Cameron Diaz has taken his legs out feeding him popcorn ----and A-Rod just swings for HR's and Bonds record. Teixiera is solid and Cano is looking for the big jackpot contract extension. Posada is old and a DH, Martin is fragile and I see an early callup for Montero. The outfield hitting is very sketchy with Granderson, Swisher and an injured Gardner and please.....Andruw Jones???

Nope. The Yankees were too busy building Mansions and Hal "Son of the Boss" Junior and Cashman missed the boat on Cliff Lee trade deal in July, and the Yankees whiffed on Carl Crawford too. When veteran teams have a bad years and some all at once, they fold up tents early especially with big contracts. I see the Yankees in the toughest division in baseball and maybe baseball history with the Orioles and Blue Jays getting much better and Tampa has young stud pitching and a farm system and a solid Manager in Maddon----the Yanks will be having a "wheels off" season, ergo, the Mansion on Wheels theme, a trailer park finish.

The Yankees will not be in the Hunt for Bunny October. The Red Sox are far superior and Tampa will surprise even with losing those 3 big guys. I think The White Sox have solid balance and power hitting and Scoscia outmanages the 3 weak, pathetic Al West rivals. Anyone could be a genius with money, except maybe Texas --- and win that sad AL West division.

The Phillies are simply up and down tough and can hit and just the best team assembled and another young rookie star coming on. I think the Braves are much better with another star rookie too, and the Brewers are now set in cement in a weak Al Central now with Wainright's season ending injury and the NL West with the Dodger divorce is all Giants.

I have been right 2X in 7 years. Red Sox in 2006 and Yankees in 2009. When the Vegas Season wins comes out and you see the Yankees at 95 1/2 or so... take the under and move to Nantucket.

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2011 Major League Baseball Final Standings

American League

AL EAST Win Loss

Red Sox-----93--69
Rays---------92--70
Blue Jays----82--80
Orioles------80--82
Yankees----79--83

AL CENTRAL Win Loss

White Sox-92--70
Twins------89--73
Tigers-----89--73
Royals-----70--92
Indians----63--99

AL WEST Win Loss

Rangers---85---77
Angels-----83---79
Athletics--83---79
Mariners--71---91

National League

NL EAST Win Loss

Phillies-----98--64
Braves-----90--72
Marlins---- 77--85
Nationals--70--92
Mets-------69--93

AL CENTRAL Win Loss

Brewers----91--71
Cardinals--85--77
Cubs-------83--79
Reds-------78--84
Astros-----69--93
Pirates----62-100

AL WEST Win Loss

Giants----90--72
Rockies---89--73
Dodgers---84--78
Padres----77--85
D'backs---67--95

Division----White Sox 3 Tampa Bay 2 ------ Phillies 3 Giants 2
Division----Red Sox 3 Rangers 1--------------- Braves 3 Brewers 1

Pennant Red Sox 4 White Sox 3----------- Phillies 4 Braves 3

World Series Phillies 4 Red Sox 3

The Sox and Phils are both going to go well over 100 unless a couple of pitchers suffer major injuries. The Sox won that many last season, added two huge bats, fixed the bullpen to the point that it could be lights out with Wheeler and Jenks joining Bard and Paps in a contract year. Plus, it is an odd year, so Beckett and Lackey are due to pitch well.

That's my story and I am sticking to it until the first pitch.

The Al East is tough and so is the NL East.

I do not think anyone will predict the Yankees for last place and under or near .500.

We are gonna find out...

BCEagle74 {l Wrote}: When the Vegas Season wins comes out and you see the Yankees at 95 1/2 or so... take the under and move to Nantucket.

I see the yanks at 91.5 and the sox at 95.5. Sox at 95.5 seems like easy money to be honest.

While looking this up...I saw you can bet on Spring Training baseball games...jesus you need gamblers anonymous if you put a dime on ST baseball.

Yankees were 91.5.... boy the Vegas Oddsmen make it tough... I owe 2BG9 $11.00... I am in deep hiding in the Texas Prairie....

I guess my new wager is $4.00 on the Yankees Under 91.5 and start slow. Go find better odds...

Yankees grabbing Prior, Colon, Garcia... and now trying to pry lose Liriano and Zambrano???

The 3 retreads could be huge or busts....who knows?? I think the Yankees are in for a 55-52 type of start in that brutal AL East and then go 33-22..in a late season run and then fade...88 would be the max and 79 is still my call.

I think the Mansion Wheels are coming off... that outfield hitting is really suspect as is the whole team.

Sox over 95.5 is easy money if the pitching staff remains healthy. Even if Beckett suffers his inevitable mid season injury, they should still be north of 96. But if a second guy goes down, then there is a problem. Arms are too fragile to bet on season win totals.

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shockdoct {l Wrote}:

BCEagle74 {l Wrote}: When the Vegas Season wins comes out and you see the Yankees at 95 1/2 or so... take the under and move to Nantucket.

I see the yanks at 91.5 and the sox at 95.5. Sox at 95.5 seems like easy money to be honest.

While looking this up...I saw you can bet on Spring Training baseball games...jesus you need gamblers anonymous if you put a dime on ST baseball.

i will admit to placing wagers on pre-season football games BUT i agree that pre-season baseball is just too much.

in fact, much like the nba and nhl, regular season baseball games are not for gambling

There is no good reason to be placing any bets on baseball, basketball or hockey unless it is to bet on a post-season series winner. The games are too unpredictable. That said, on exception would be betting on the team behind in an NBA series that is sitting at 3-1 and the team behind is at home. That's easy money and it rarely matters who the teams are. They'll just send in Joey Crawford.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The Sox and Phils are both going to go well over 100 unless a couple of pitchers suffer major injuries. The Sox won that many last season, added two huge bats, fixed the bullpen to the point that it could be lights out with Wheeler and Jenks joining Bard and Paps in a contract year. Plus, it is an odd year, so Beckett and Lackey are due to pitch well.

The Sox are certainly the odds-on favorits to win the AL East, but how many teams have ever won "well over" 100 games? I'd say 105 is "well over," so that's 21 total. Whereas the Phillies can feast on numerous shitty divisional opponents, the Sox play too many games against very good competition. I thnk the O's will be good enough to keep the Sox under 103.

EagleNYC {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The Sox and Phils are both going to go well over 100 unless a couple of pitchers suffer major injuries. The Sox won that many last season, added two huge bats, fixed the bullpen to the point that it could be lights out with Wheeler and Jenks joining Bard and Paps in a contract year. Plus, it is an odd year, so Beckett and Lackey are due to pitch well.

The Sox are certainly the odds-on favorits to win the AL East, but how many teams have ever won "well over" 100 games? I'd say 105 is "well over," so that's 21 total. Whereas the Phillies can feast on numerous shitty divisional opponents, the Sox play too many games against very good competition. I thnk the O's will be good enough to keep the Sox under 103.

Fair point. Assuming no injuries of any length, I mean 110 wins. Assuming the inevitable minor injuries, they'll be in the 98-105 range. If they get a real bad couple of injuries, then you are looking at 90-95 (like last season).

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

EagleNYC {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The Sox and Phils are both going to go well over 100 unless a couple of pitchers suffer major injuries. The Sox won that many last season, added two huge bats, fixed the bullpen to the point that it could be lights out with Wheeler and Jenks joining Bard and Paps in a contract year. Plus, it is an odd year, so Beckett and Lackey are due to pitch well.

The Sox are certainly the odds-on favorits to win the AL East, but how many teams have ever won "well over" 100 games? I'd say 105 is "well over," so that's 21 total. Whereas the Phillies can feast on numerous shitty divisional opponents, the Sox play too many games against very good competition. I thnk the O's will be good enough to keep the Sox under 103.

Fair point. Assuming no injuries of any length, I mean 110 wins. Assuming the inevitable minor injuries, they'll be in the 98-105 range. If they get a real bad couple of injuries, then you are looking at 90-95 (like last season).

Agreed on all counts. The Sox lineup is powerful enough that even one terrible injury to a position player (season ending for a 3-6 hitter) won't derail them significantly. Lester is the most indispensible player on the team, because its a certainty that if he's healthy he'll win 2/3 of his starts (and his stats will be great too, ok sabr-ers?). Lose him and things are truly uncertain.

EagleNYC {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

EagleNYC {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The Sox and Phils are both going to go well over 100 unless a couple of pitchers suffer major injuries. The Sox won that many last season, added two huge bats, fixed the bullpen to the point that it could be lights out with Wheeler and Jenks joining Bard and Paps in a contract year. Plus, it is an odd year, so Beckett and Lackey are due to pitch well.

The Sox are certainly the odds-on favorits to win the AL East, but how many teams have ever won "well over" 100 games? I'd say 105 is "well over," so that's 21 total. Whereas the Phillies can feast on numerous shitty divisional opponents, the Sox play too many games against very good competition. I thnk the O's will be good enough to keep the Sox under 103.

Fair point. Assuming no injuries of any length, I mean 110 wins. Assuming the inevitable minor injuries, they'll be in the 98-105 range. If they get a real bad couple of injuries, then you are looking at 90-95 (like last season).

Agreed on all counts. The Sox lineup is powerful enough that even one terrible injury to a position player (season ending for a 3-6 hitter) won't derail them significantly. Lester is the most indispensible player on the team, because its a certainty that if he's healthy he'll win 2/3 of his starts (and his stats will be great too, ok sabr-ers?). Lose him and things are truly uncertain.

At the outset of every season, Theo aims to build a team capable of 90 wins at a minimum taking into account potential injuries and all that jazz. Generally that is good enough to make the playoffs and, from there, the playoffs are more or less a crapshoot. They probably would've been above the 90 wins last year too had Darnell McDonald and Daniel Nava not been intodruced to the masses.

Tough to win 100 in the AL East. Tough to win 95.

The Phillies with the on paper look of 105+ might cruise in at where I have them.

The Yankees who could be out of the race in late August, might play rookies and shut down some older pitchers in the end or veterans and put A-Rod on waivers and see if anyone picks up the 7 more years and $210M?

Its fun to guess, but Philadelphia has a great hitting rookie, solid tough experienced players and the Red Sox are a nudge behind.

The White Sox may put iit all together, but aside from them the Rays have young talent coming up and the Braves did well in the off season.

Tough to pick against a Red Sox and Phillie World Series. If the Phillie starters are on, that will be a classic battle.

Here would be my Pennant bets:

Red Sox --- 3-1
White Sox --- 15-1
Phillies-------2-1
Braves ------13-1

WSeries

Phillies 7-2
Red Sox 5-1

Braves +87.5 WINS OVER
Orioles +76.5 WINS OVER
Cubs+81.5 WINS OVER
Diamondbacks +72.5 UNDER
White Sox +84.5 WINS OVER BEST BET!
Reds +85.5 WINS UNDER
Rockies +86.5 WINS OVER


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Phils under 96.5
Tigers over 83
Marlins over 80

3 that jumped out at me.

BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:Braves +87.5 WINS OVER
Orioles +76.5 WINS OVER
Cubs+81.5 WINS OVER
Diamondbacks +72.5 UNDER
White Sox +84.5 WINS OVER BEST BET!
Reds +85.5 WINS UNDER
Rockies +86.5 WINS OVER


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Tigers 84 WINS OVER
Marlins 82.5 WINS UNDER
Astros 72.5 WINS UNDER
Royals 68.5 WINS OVER
Angels 83.5 WINS --------------NO BET
Dodgers 83.5 WINS-------------NO BET
Milwaukee 85.5 WINS---OVER BEST BET
Twins 85.5 WINS -----NO BET
Mets 77.5 WINS----UNDER
Yankees 91.5---UNDER BEST BET
A's 83.5---NO BET
PHILLIES 97.5----NO BET
PIRATES 67.5----UNDER
GIANTS 87.5---NO BET
PADRES 75.5 ---NO BET
Mariners 69.5---NO BET
Cardinals 84.5---NO BET
Tampa 84.5 ----OVER
Texas 86.5---NO BET
Toronto 76.5 ---OVER BEST BET
Nats 71.5 --NO BET

AL EAST: RED SOX (of course)
AL Central: ChiSox
AL West: Rangers
WILDCard: Twins

AL Champ: RED SOX


NL EAST: Phillies
NL Central: Brewers
NL West: Giants
WILDCARD: Rockies

NL Champ: Phillies

World Series:

RED SOX over Phillies in 6

Red Sox
Twins
Rays
A's

Giants
Phillies
Braves
Cards

Red Sox over Giants

Opening Day this week kids!

Get your picks in..

Hope I am wrong, but that AL East is already testy and I think the Yankees are collecting a lotta pitchers and praying...sometimes it works, and sometimes you get 1965?

Where is Pedro Martinez in pinstripes?

Let's play ball!

AL

NYY
DET
TEX
WC: BOS

DET over NYY
BOS over TEX

DET over BOS

NL

PHI
MIL
SF
WC: CIN

MIL over SF
PHI over CIN

MIL over PHI

World series - MIL over DET

On paper, it's hard not to say the sawx v. the phils. However, baseball, especially the playoffs, barely ever seems to work out on paper.

AL
East - Boston
Central - Detroit
West - Oakland
WC - Tampa Bay

NL
East - Philly
Central - Milwaukee
West - Colorado
WC - Atlanta

Boston over Oakland, Detroit over TB
Boston over Detroit

Philly over Colorado, Atlanta over Milwaukee
Atlanta over Philly

Boston over Atlanta (ugh)

MIKE PUMA

AL EAST - Red Sox
AL CENTRAL - Twins
AL WEST - Angels
WC - Orioles

NL EAST - Braves
NL CENTRAL - Reds
NL WEST - Rockies
WC - Phillies

ALCS
Red Sox over Orioles

NLCS
Braves over Phillies

WORLD SERIES
Red Sox over Braves

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/the_post_baseball_staff_picks_8IsA5qm1Xxe67kvW9W1VLO

0-5

and My Yankees are making a doofus outta me.

I think I left off the Sox for wins bet, but going 96-61 is still possible.

I blame Buckner.

0-6

high-larious.

BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:2011 Major League Baseball Final Standings

American League

AL EAST Win Loss

Red Sox-----93--69
Rays---------92--70

Blue Jays----82--80
Orioles------80--82
Yankees----79--83

Division----White Sox 3 Tampa Bay 2 ------ Phillies 3 Giants 2
Division----Red Sox 3 Rangers 1--------------- Braves 3 Brewers 1

Pennant Red Sox 4 White Sox 3----------- Phillies 4 Braves 3

World Series Phillies 4 Red Sox 3

1 team since 1946 has won 90 after starting 0-6.

I knew the AL east would be a pound fight but looks like I have the worng teams early.

You might have 4 team tied going into the last day in this pissing match.

My 2 playoff teams 0-12.

Disgustiad. Why I start this thread 9 years and am 2-8 is disgustiad.

BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:Braves +87.5 WINS OVER
Orioles +76.5 WINS OVER
Cubs+81.5 WINS OVER
Diamondbacks +72.5 UNDER
White Sox +84.5 WINS OVER BEST BET!
Reds +85.5 WINS UNDER
Rockies +86.5 WINS OVER


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Now you are talking my lingo. This is easy money along with 15-1 odds to win the pennant. With Peavy coming back soon, the real Sox will start to roll. You can put it on the board...yes!

Hawkaroo {l Wrote}:

BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:Braves +87.5 WINS OVER
Orioles +76.5 WINS OVER
Cubs+81.5 WINS OVER
Diamondbacks +72.5 UNDER
White Sox +84.5 WINS OVER BEST BET!
Reds +85.5 WINS UNDER
Rockies +86.5 WINS OVER


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Now you are talking my lingo. This is easy money along with 15-1 odds to win the pennant. With Peavy coming back soon, the real Sox will start to roll. You can put it on the board...yes!

Thank you. Lets talk baseball and 100 other topics and ignore the pissing matches on the other site.

That is why I came here 8 years ago. Sports, politics, Bc current events, etc. women...etc..

One day you may be right about Spazoo, I hope not with KR.

Thanks

Hawkaroo {l Wrote}:

BCEagle74 {l Wrote}:Braves +87.5 WINS OVER
Orioles +76.5 WINS OVER
Cubs+81.5 WINS OVER
Diamondbacks +72.5 UNDER
White Sox +84.5 WINS OVER BEST BET!
Reds +85.5 WINS UNDER
Rockies +86.5 WINS OVER


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Now you are talking my lingo. This is easy money along with 15-1 odds to win the pennant. With Peavy coming back soon, the real Sox will start to roll. You can put it on the board...yes!

Apparently Matt Thornton has the under.